研討 ...

[富蘭克林]

http://hk.youtube.com:80/watch?v=4tgtvDSwReI

但係睇番呢段片 .... 原來 朗尼之前已經成套動作做晒而且開埋 .... 傑斯純粹係應傳球 ...
咁又點呢 ?

I try to click on the link, but unable to replay the clip. But anyway, I did watch the match on that night, and I remember the referee was signal MU to retake. But the TV station was replay only when Ryan Giggs contain the ball and pass close to corner flag area. Then, it was a goal, but referee blow the whistle and request MU to take the corner kick.

From my point of view, only serveral could happen and need to retake as follow:

(1) The referee was signal to hold the restart, and he might verbal warning player (s) in the penalty area; or
(2) Before that, the ball taken by Wayne Rooney was not in proper position.

But from what you mention, the case (2) is not apply to the case, and I think it should be the case (1) for such matter. This is only my personal opinion, and anyone feel free to share their view.

[kwong kin]

搵到另一段:

Watch on youtube.com

(留意40秒朗尼.key word-Manchester United vs Chelsea - Clever Corner Kick HD 11 /01/ 09)

喺意甲(應該係07/08球季),羅馬亦有類似角球戰術:

Watch on youtube.com

兩者都係先由一位球員觸球(不同係羅馬球員只係輕輕觸球,而球沒離開弧圈)-但都比球證吹番轉頭


其實球例只係講:"The ball should be played inside the corner arc and is in play when it is kicked, therefore, the ball does not need to leave the corner arc to be in play."
咁上述兩個情況應該不屬於犯規.

之前大家都有討論過類似個案, http://www.hkfra.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=2433
趁09年開始,將佢弄個明白,以免日後真正遇到時,不知如何是好..

[cho cole]

You are right
No problem la
Player can do that
But in this game :On that time Referee is verbal warning some player in the penalty area so Referee must retaken
Fair Play

[富蘭克林]

Kwong Kin, as I share my opinion and mention at above message. For what I put up the conculsion that, is by the LAW OF THE GAME. Only one word - FAIR PLAY :smt001

Hope you understand and same as Chan Sir always said study the Law but need to use it properly

[cho cole]

Good opinion

[kwong kin]

多謝兩位師兄提點,

有時太著重細節,反而忘了真正嘅意義......

[cho cole]

多謝兩位師兄提點,

有時太著重細節,反而忘了真正?儱N義......

但你熟悉球例是好事！做得好！繼續努力！

[富蘭克林]

多謝兩位師兄提點,

有時太著重細節,反而忘了真正嘅意義......

You're welcome! That's why we need to speak up and share your idea at this forum, no matter is question or ask for answer

[cho cole]

唉！昨日看到我們的警聲出錯球例問與答

問：當一名球員擲界外球，直接把球擲向己方的隊員守門員，守門員企圖用手阻止皮球進入球門，但觸球無效，皮球進入己方球門，裁判如何處理？

答：.......請大家回答..........

[yeah09]

大清早把我唤清醒。。。都算讨论过了。

这个 触球无效，怎么解阿？
是碰到球，没有能阻止它进门；
还是没碰到球阿？
想来，应解作第一种情况：触到球，但效果是没能改变球进门；
无效嘛，自然是努力作到，但还是没起到效果。

[yeah09]

我们周五月训时，也观看并研讨了中国队在上海期间与上海东亚队
的比赛实况。（东亚队从左向右攻，国家队从右向左攻）
其中，有两个案例，可以讨论下：
一是，开场不多时，国家队一队员在前场左路（罚球区外近角球区域），接一个从中前场传来的球，
上海东亚队员已基本可先控制或破坏球（因球运动方向与速度关系，守方更易有机会得球）；
此时，国家队队员使用一冲撞动作，将东亚后卫队员撞开，实现控球。
现场，裁判判罚了犯规，理由为，攻方使用过分力量。
研讨时，多数人认为此球可不判，因足球不是篮球，冲撞行为是允许的，同时，东亚队员身体较弱。
我嘛，是认为要判的那个，理由是：
开场不久，犯规应捉的细；
虽是双方争球机会，但东亚队员得球机会更大；
另外，正是考虑双方队员在体格上的差异，国家队队员更应使用适度力量。

二是，东亚队在球场右侧中场线附近，得球后回传（向场内中后方），
此时，国家队A队员从身后铲球，东亚队员跳起后顺利将球传出；
接着，东亚另一队员得球后，再将球传向同侧靠边线附近，
东亚队右后卫队员正欲接球时，国家队A队员在上一个铲球未成功后，
再次使用一个铲球动作，这时东亚队员未及得球而跳起，
落下时，未作收脚动作，球鞋带到铲球队员。
现场，裁判判罚东亚队员犯规，并出示黄牌。
研讨时，认为这是一个误判，应判国家队A队员铲球犯规，但东亚队员应领受一张黄牌（misconduct）
我嘛，认为这些后果应计为第一下犯规的后遗症。
因为国家队A队员显然是在第一下铲球未成功后，鲁莽地实施了第二次铲球。
而东亚队员的带脚动作，也很可能是对国家队A队员连续铲球的“惩戒”。
。。。

很多时没分析犯规了，

[cho cole]

首先：哪守門員是沒有碰到球！OK
你的案例不球例研討吧！是一些主觀討論

[富蘭克林]

首先：哪守門員是沒有碰到球！OK
你的案例不球例研討吧！是一些主觀討論

First, try to share my idea on the case one, if the goalie did not touch the ball before the throw-in, the goal should not be allow. Otherwise, if the player touch the ball, Referee should allow is a Goal.

Second, Mr. Yeah09 share the case, and as we know Referee has his or her own character, and in The Law of The Game mention: In the opinion of the Referee...agree

[cho cole]

Yeah09都想大家分甘同味

[富蘭克林]

首先：哪守門員是沒有碰到球！OK
你的案例不球例研討吧！是一些主觀討論

First, try to share my idea on the case one, if the goalie did not touch the ball before the throw-in, the goal should not be allow. Otherwise, if the player touch the ball, Referee should allow is a Goal.

Second, Mr. Yeah09 share the case, and as we know Referee has his or her own character, and in The Law of The Game mention: In the opinion of the Referee...agree

So, Ah Cho did you speak up and share your idea to your department magazine about the difference